[asim10]

assalam alakum to all muslims
main yazeed kay baray main topic shoro kar na chahta hoon
kiya according to the rules is ki ijazat hay jawab anay kay baad apnee baat shoro karoon gha
shukria

[asim10]

ASA
KISI TARAF SAY KOWEE AITRAZ NA ANAY KE WAJAH SAY MAIN APNA MOZO SHORO KARTA HOON
SUB SAY PEHLEE BAAT KAY MAIN YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN IS LIYA LIKHNA CHAHTA HOO KAY MUKHLIF TO THEEK HAIN MAGAR APNAY BHEE YAZEED KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN.
HALANAKAY YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KE AIK HADITH KAY MUTABIQ MAGHFIRAT SHUDA HAY.AOUR YEHEE BAAT MUJAY YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN LIKHNAY PER MAJBOOR KAR TEE RAHEE.
YAZEED THA KAOUN .SHAYAD HUM MAIN SAY AKSAREEYAT KO YEHEE NA PATA HOO .
DOSTOO YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KA BHANJA THA ,YANI YAZEED KE KHALA SYDA UMMAY HABIBA NABI AKRAM SAW KE BIWI THEEN.ABB WOH LOOG JOO NABI AKRAM SAW KAY RISHTAY DAROON KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN WOH SOOCH LAIN KAY KIYA YAZEED KO BUARA BHALA KEHNA JAIZ HAY.
DOSREE BAAT ,KAY YAZEED KE BAIT TAQREEBAN TAMAM SAHBA NAY KEE ABB YAHAN MAIN APNAY SUNNI BAHION SAY POCHTA HOON KAY KIYA SAHABA KISI FASIQ FAJIR KE BAIT KAR SAKTAY HAIN.NAHIN KABHI NAHIN.
AOUR RAHA YEH SAWAL KAY YAZEED SYDNA HUSSAIN RZ KA KATIL THA TOO IS BARAY MAIN WAZAY DALAIL HONAY CHAHEYAIN.JO SHAYAD KISI KAY PASS NAHIN.BUS JO SHIA KEE ZUBANI SUNA USAY DOHARA DIYA.
MAIRAY MUTABIQ JITNI BAREE BAIT AIY KHILAFAT YAZEED KEE HOWEE KISI KE NAHIN HOWEE.SIRF DO LOGON KA IKHTILAF MILTA HAY SYDNA HUSSAIN KA AOUR SYDNA ZUBAIR . IS KAY ILAWA AGAR KOWEE KISI BHEE AOUR SAHABI KA IKHTILAF SABIT KAR DAY MAIN US KA SHUKAR GHUZAR HOON GHA.MAIN APNA TOPIC JAREE RAKHOON GHA INSHALLAH IS WAQAT ISI PER IQTIFA KARTA HOON ,

[Daylight]

This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p

[silenteyes]

HALANAKAY YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KE AIK HADITH KAY MUTABIQ MAGHFIRAT SHUDA HAY.AOUR YEHEE BAAT MUJAY YAZEED KAY BARAY MAIN LIKHNAY PER MAJBOOR KAR TEE RAHEE.

lolz. zara hadees to share kijye.

DOSTOO YAZEED NABI AKRAM SAW KA BHANJA THA ,YANI YAZEED KE KHALA SYDA UMMAY HABIBA NABI AKRAM SAW KE BIWI THEEN.ABB WOH LOOG JOO NABI AKRAM SAW KAY RISHTAY DAROON KO BURA BHALA KEHTAY HAIN WOH SOOCH LAIN KAY KIYA YAZEED KO BUARA BHALA KEHNA JAIZ HAY.

Abu' Lehab mal'oon nabi akram ka chacha tha.. aap to usay bhi bura bhala nahi kahte ho'n gay.

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DOSREE BAAT ,KAY YAZEED KE BAIT TAQREEBAN TAMAM SAHBA NAY KEE ABB YAHAN MAIN APNAY SUNNI BAHION SAY POCHTA HOON KAY KIYA SAHABA KISI FASIQ FAJIR KE BAIT KAR SAKTAY HAIN.NAHIN KABHI NAHIN.

jab nabi akram k betay mola Hussain(as) nay hi yazeed ki baye't nahi ki to baki logo'n ki bayet ki kiya haqeeqat bachti hai bhai....

Food for thought:
hadees: 1- Hussain mujh say hai or main Hussain say.
hadees: 2- Hasan or Hussain jannat kay jawano'n k sardaar hain.

[silenteyes]

This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p

My view same.

[silenteyes]

AOUR RAHA YEH SAWAL KAY YAZEED SYDNA HUSSAIN RZ KA KATIL THA TOO IS BARAY MAIN WAZAY DALAIL HONAY CHAHEYAIN.JO SHAYAD KISI KAY PASS NAHIN.BUS JO SHIA KEE ZUBANI SUNA USAY DOHARA DIYA.

President Musharraf order deta hai Pervaiz Ilaahi ko jo k chief minister hai punjab ka... or wo order deta hai IG police ko..... or aagay wo order deta hai mutalliqa thaanay k SHO ko k falaa'n muhallay main XYZ naam ka 1 banda rehta hai usay kal tak qatal kar diya jaye. or SHO khud ja kar ya apnay sipaahi bhej kar usay qatal kar deta hai.......

ab aap mujhe yai batayen k baishak yai qatal President Musharraf k hath say nahi hua laikin is ka zimma'daar wo hai k nahi? or is qatl ki waja say wo XYZ ka qaatil kahlaaye ga k nahi?

MAIRAY MUTABIQ JITNI BAREE BAIT AIY KHILAFAT YAZEED KEE HOWEE KISI KE NAHIN HOWEE.SIRF DO LOGON KA IKHTILAF MILTA HAY SYDNA HUSSAIN KA AOUR SYDNA ZUBAIR .

jo ikhtilaaf mola Hussain ko yazeed say tha, aap kay mutabiq qo kiya hai bhala

[sohani]

kuch dino pehlay iraq ya iran main aik larki ko gairat k naam per qatal kiya gaya tha


us ka naam dua khalil masood tha


woh shayad yazeed quam k hi thi i think


main sure nahi hooo k woh kis qaum k thi mager shayad woh yazeed hi thi


aur ager asa hai to app kiya kehtay hai is bare main

[asim10]

asa
DL ap kay mashwaray ka shukria .yeh mamla kiuon kay khalis islamic tareekh ka hisa hay is leya isay main nay yahan hee discuss karna munasib samjha.
dosray silten sahib ke aik baat ke khoshee howee kay unhoon ref manga.chahay aitraz karnay kay lee yai hee.pehlay main ref day doon pher baat karoon gha.inshallah.
sahih bukhari.kitab JIHAD WAL SEEYAR. bab .raoum waloon say qital ke fazeelat.hadith no 2707, aour agar kowee arabic samjh sakta hoo too online ref yeh hay :
http://hadith.al-isl...%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB
yeh ref yazeed kay maghfirat shuda honay ka.yeh hadith no 2707 hay .iskay ilawa taqreeban 17 ref sihah sitay say paish kar sakta hoon jis say mera dawa sabit hota hay .abb yahan per mukhalifeen yazeed yeh aitraz kartay hain kay yazeed us lashkar main shamil hee nahin tha jis kay mutaliq NABI AKRAM saw ke maghfirat ka wada hay to is ka ref bhee bukhari say hee paisha kar daita hoon
sahih al bukhari.kitab al JUMA,bab ,.bajamat nawafil ke fazeelat.hadith no .1113 :aour online ref yeh hay
http://hadith.al-isl...%E1%CD%CF%ED%CB
yeh hay silent eyes kay pehlay aitraz ka jawab . ab ata hoon dosree baat per kay abu lahab ko bhee bura na kaha jaaaiy. khairat ke baat kay aik kafir ka moazna aik muslman say kiya jaa ta hay .abu lahab wazah taour per kafir tha bulkay NABI AKRAM SAW ka sakht treen mukhalif tha. apnay aitraz per silten eyes ko khud hee afsoos ho gha.
aik aour baat mr silent eyes.sydna hussain rz nabi akram saw kay baitay nahin thay bulkay sydna ali rz kay baitay thay.
jab akkabreen sahab rz nay yazeed ke bait kar lee thee to in bachoon ka bait na karna kowee mana nahin rakhta. aour waisay bhee jab yazeed ke khilafat per ummat ka ijma ho chuka too phir agar do logoon nay bait na bhee kee too is say kowee faraq nahin parta.aour yeh bhee ahdith say sabit hay kay agar kowee bhee shakhs usmmat kay ijma kay khilaf jaa too us kee garadan mar doo.
agar main musharaf ko nahin manta too is say ,uskkay uhday per kowee faraq nahin parta .
app ke akhri baat ka jawab yeh kay main yehee too daleel mang raha hoon kay yeh sabit kiya jaa aiy kay yazeed nay sydna hussain rz kay qatal ka hukam diya tha.
aour sydna hussain ke mukhalifat yazeed say kisi shar ee msla per nahin thee bulkay khilafat kay mozo per thee.
inshallah baqee baat agaly thread main karoon gha
ALLAH HAFIZ.

This post has been edited by asim10: 24 November 2007 - 12:16 AM

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surely, I will continue the discussion when I go to my home. (now in office) Be in touch.

[~Saraj~]

This is something related to history, i think it should be moved to history section, wese bhi wahan topics ki kafi kami hai :p

Good Advise

[silenteyes]

salam

wahabiyat ki base bani'umayya say muhabbat par hai is liye wahabi people ahl'ay bayet ki shan main bayan ki gayi aksar ahdaees ko reject kar dete hain. yai sab ko pata hai k Hussain(as) prophet Muhammad(sa) k betay nahi balkay un k nawasay thay rishta main laikin rasool allah unhain apna beta kah kar hi mukhatib karte thay or MUBAHILA k moqa par jab eesaiyo'n k aamne samne gaye to Hasan or Hussain ko sath le kar gaye thay.

aap ki bayan ki gayi ahadees par bhi baat karain ge...laikin pehle main discussion quran ki is aayet say shuroo karta hoon..

"And remember that Abraham was tried by his Lord with certain commands, which he fulfilled: He said: "I will make thee an Imam to the Nations." He pleaded: "And also (Imams) from my offspring!" He answered: "But My Promise is not within the reach of evil-doers." Quran(2/124)

is aayet say Allah ka yai qanoon wazeh ho jata hai k shaitaani raste par chalne wala zalim banda Imam (khalifa) nahi ban sakta.... right ? yani k agar Yazeed bhi zaalim or raah'ay haqq say hata hua shaitaani raste par chalne wala insaan tha to wo khalifa/imam kahlanay ka mustahiqq nahi tha.. right ?

Above mentioned aayet ki sunni ulema nay jo tafsir bayan ki hai wo dekhne k liye references hain yai...
1- Tafseer Khazana volume 1 page 89
2- Ma'am al Tazeel Volume 1 page 89
3- Fathul Qadeer Volume 1 page 140
4- Tafseer Mudharik al Tazeel Volume 1 page 84
5- Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 1 page 118
6- Tafseer Jama al Mubeen Volume 1 page 118
7- Tafseer Gharab al Qu'an Volume 1 page 439
8- Tafseer Ibn Katheer Volume 1 page 167
9- Ahkam al Quir'an Volume 1 page 69
10- Tafseer al Kabeer Volume 1 page 494

This post has been edited by silenteyes: 27 November 2007 - 11:43 PM

[silenteyes]

Now fasten your seat belts......

Yazeed ka character aap k samne expose hone laga hai....


The opinions of Ahl'ul Sunnah on the kufr and fisq of Yazeed
Reference books..

1- Al Bidayah wa al Nihaya,(Urdu) Volume 8 pages 1146, 1147 & 1165
2- Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala" Volume 4 pages 37-38
3- Al Sawaiqh al Muhroqa page 131
4- Thatheer al Janaan page 115
5- Sharh Fiqh Akbar page 73
6- Fatawa Azeezi pafe 80 Dhikr Yazeed
7- Nuzool al Abrar page 97 Dhikr Yazeed
8- Ya Nabi al Mawaddath Volume 2 page 325 Part 60
9- Al Nasaa al Kaafiya page 120
10- Tareekh Ibn Khaldun Volume 1 page 179
11- Sharh Aqaid Nasfee page 113 Dhikr Yazeed
12- Tareekh Kamil Volume 3 pages, 152, 153 and 156 and 450 events of 52 Hijri
13- Al Imama wa al Siayasa page 165
14- Iqd al Fareed Voume 2 page 258 Dhikr Yazeed
15- Tareekh Abu al Fala Volume 1 page 186 Dkihr al Khabar Mu'awiya
16- Al Akbar al Taweel page 268 Dhikr Yazeed
17- Tareekh Tabari Volume 7 page 146
18- Rasail page 129 by Abu Bakr Jauzi
19- Maqathil Husayn page 172 Ch 9
20- Tadkhira Khawwas page 164
21- Shazath al Dhabab Volume 1 page 69 events of 61 Hijri
22- Tareekh al Khulafa page 204 Dhikr Mu'awiya
23- Al Khabar al Awal page 61 Dhikr Hukumith Ibn Ziyad
24- Tareekh Khamees oage 300 Dhikr Yazeed
25- Hayaath al Haywaan Volume 2 page 196
26- Tareekh Islam Volume 2 page 356 events of 63 Hijri
27- Ahsan aur Meezan Volume 5 page 284
28- Tafseer Mazhari Volume 5 page 61 Surah Ibraheem part 13
29- Murudjh al Dhahab Volume 3 page 78 Dhikr Yazeed
30- Taufa Ithna Ashari page 6 Chapter 1
31- Muttalib al Saul Volume 2 page 26 Dhikr Husayn
32- Nur al Absar page 139 Dhikr Husayn
33- Sharh Muqassid Volume 2 page 309 Part 6
34- Al Tabaqat al Akbar Volume 5 page 96
35- Mustadrak al Hakim Volume 3 page 522
36- Tareekh Ibn Asakir page 275
37- Al Isaba page 181
38- Meezan al Itidal Volume 4 page 440
39- Wafa al Wafa Volume 1 page 127
40- Tahdheeb al Itidal Volume 11 page 361
41- Tabthaseer wa al Sharaf page 265 Dhikr Yazeed
42- Mujum al buldan Volume 2 page 253 Dkikr Harra
43- Fathul Bari Volume 13 page 70 Dhikr Yazeed
44- Irshad al Sari Volume 10 pages 171 and 199 Bab ul Fitan
45- Sirush Shahadathayn page 26 Dhikr Shahadath Imam Hasan
46- Minhajj al Sunnah page 239 Dhikr Yazeed
47- Takmeel al Iman page 178
48- Shaheed Karbala pages 11-12 by Mufti Muhammad Shaafi
49- Sharh Muwatta Imam Malik Volume 5 page 435 by Shaykh Muhammad Zakaria
50- Tareekh Milat page 55 Part 3 by Qadhi Zaynul Abideen
51- Tarrekh Islam Volume 2 page 56 by Akbar Najeeb Abadhi
52- Bahar Shariat Volume 1 page 76
53- Hidayaath al Shi'a Volume 1 page 95 by Allamah Rasheed Ahmad Gangohi
54- Isthaklah ai Yazeed page 312 by Maulanan Lal Shah Bukhari
55- Fitna Kharijee Volume 1 page 267 by Qadhi Madhar Husayn
56- Mukthubaath Shaykhul Islam Volume 1 page 267 by Maulana Husayn Hamdani
57- Sharh Shifa Volume 1 page 694 by Mulla 'Ali Qari al Hanafi
58- Siraaj Muneer Sharh Jama Sagheer Volume 3 page 382
59- Hujutul Balagha page 507
60- Qasim al Ulum page 221
61- Nabraas ala Sharh Aqaid page 553
62- Ahsaaf al Ghaneen page 210
63- Yazeed bin Mu'awiya page 30 by Ibn Taymeeya
64- Muktobaath page 203 by Qadhi Thanaullah Panee Pathee
65- Al Shabeeya page 60 by Barelvi
66- Al Mafooz page 114 Barelvi
67- Ahsaan alwa page 52 by Barelvi
68- Ahkam Shariat Volume 2 page 88 Barelvi
69- Fatawi Volume 5 page 51 by AA Thanvi
70- Fatawa Rasheediya Volume 1 page 7
71- Skahyk al Islam bu Muhammad Qaim Nanothi Voluime 1 page 258
72- Imam Pak aur Yazeed paleeth by M Shaafi page 33
73- Tabat Ibn Sa'd page 283 Dhikr Ma'aqil bin Sanan
74- Mirqaat Sharh mishkaat Volume 1 page 120
75- Umdah Qari fo Sharh Bukhari Volume 11 page 334
76- Fatawa Azeezi Volume 1 page 21
77- Izalath al Ghaneen Volume 1 page 368 by Maulana Haydher 'Ali
78- Muttalib al Saul page 26
79- Nur al Absar page 139
80- Neel al Authar Volume 7 page 181 Dhikr Jihad
81- Tahdheeb Abu Shakur Shaami page 15
82- Al Samra page 317 by ibn Shareef Shaami
83- Mujmua al Zadhaar page 241
84- Khilafat Mu'awiya aur Yazeed page 378 Dhikr Yazeed
85- Muruj al Nubuwat Volume 1 page 126
86- Ahkam al Qur'an Volume 3 page 119
87- Tareekh Ibn Asakir Volume 5 page 107
88- Tafseer Ruh al Ma'ani page 72 Surah Muhammad
89- Siraj Muneera Sharh Jama al Sagheera Volume 2 page 80 Letter Alif
90- Shadharat al Dhahab page 69, Volume 1
91- Wafa al-Wafa Volume 1 page 217

[silenteyes]

wahabiyo'n ka sab say bara mufassir or tareekh dan Ibn'ay Kaseer (Ibn Kathir) khud apni book al Bidayah Volume 8 main kahta hai



In English here...

"Traditions inform us that Yazeed loved worldly vices, would drink, listen to music, kept the company of boys with no facial hair [civil expression for paedophilia with boys, a form of homo@@@uality], played drums, kept dogs [civil expression for bestiality], making frogs, bears and monkeys fight. Every morning he used be intoxicated and use to bind monkey with the saddle of a horse and make the horse run�".

[silenteyes]

I request k jab tak meri next reply na ho koi post na kare is topic par.. (raat boht ho gayi, ammi mare gi)

THANK YOU

[silenteyes]

salaam keep reading.................

Ibn Atheer's comments on Yazeed

In Tareekh al Kamil Volume 3 page 450 Ibn Atheer narrates from Munzir bin Zabeer:
"Verily Yazeed rewarded me with 100,000 dirhams but this cannot stop me from highlighting his state, By Allah he is a drunkard�"


Allamah Dhahabi's naration and verdict on Yazeed

In "Siyar A'lam Al-Nubala" Volume 4 pages 37-38, Dhahabi narrates:

"Ziyad Hurshee narrates 'Yazeed gave me alcohol to drink, I had never drunk alcohol like that before and I enquired where he had obtained its ingredients'. Yazeed replied 'it is made of sweet pomegranate, honey from Isfahan, sugar from Hawaz and g****s from Burdah�Yazeed indulged in alcohol and would participate in actions that opposed the dictates set by Allah (swt)".

In "Shadharat al Dhahab" page 69, Volume 1, Ibn al-'Imad al-Hanbali cites these comments of Dhahabi:

"Mu'awiya's son Yazeed was an enemy of 'Ali, a Nasibi, a man of evil nature, and a drunkard".


Ibn Jauzi's comments on Yazeed 'the drunkard'

Ibn Jauzi in Wafa al-Wafa:

"Yazeed appointed his cousin Uthman bin Muhammad bin Abu Sufyan as Governor of Madina. He sent a delegation to visit Yazeed who bore gifts so that they might take the oath of allegiance to him. Upon their return they said 'We have returned having visited a man who has no religion, he drinks, plays instruments, keeps the company of singers and dogs [civil word for bestiality], we declare that we have broken our allegiance to him. Abdullah bin Abi Umro bin Hafs Mukhzumee commented 'Yazeed gave me gifts. But the reality is this man is an enemy of Allah (swt) and a drunkard. I shall separate myself from him in the same way that I remove my turban [from my head]�."

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Anti-shia writer Ibn Hajr's comments on Yazeed

In his book written against the Shi'a, Sawaiqh al Muhriqa, Ibn Hajr sets out the
traditional Sunni position on Yazeed:

"There is difference between Ahl'ul Sunnah over whether Mu'awiya's heir apparent Yazeed was a kaafir. One group have deemed Yazeed to be a kaafir, another has stated he was a Muslim but a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. There is consensus over his fisq (transgression). One party of Ulema have stated that you can curse him by name, this includes individuals such as Ibn Jauzi and Ahmad. One group made up of individuals such as Ibn Jauzi deem Yazeed a kaafir, others say he was not a kaafir but rather this is a matter that has caused a difference of opinion. The majority of Ahl'ul Sunnah all agree that he was a fasiq (transgressor), a fajir (one that commits debauchery) and a drunkard. Waqidi had recorded a narration 'Verily we opposed Yazeed fearing Allah (swt) would reign stones down on us, Yazeed considered nikah (marriage) with mothers and sisters to be permissible and drank alcohol".

In Thatheer al Janaan, Ibn Hajr al Makki had stated:

"Rasulullah (s) witnessed a dream in which thirty individuals were jumping on his pulpit like monkeys. This pained Rasulullah (s) so much that until his death no one ever witnessed him smiling. The thirty include the family of Marwan and Yazeed, Yazeed was the worst of them and the greatest Fasiq, and there is a group amongst the [Sunni] imams that have issued fatwas deeming Yazeed to be a Fasiq and a kaafir. Rasulullah (s) said that the Deen would be destroyed at the hands of the youth from Quraysh. This refers to Banu Marwan, Yazeed bin Mu'awiya and others. Yazeed ranks amongst the most debased dhaalims and fasiqs of all time".


A Sahaba's testimony that Yazeed was an incestuous drunkard

In Isaba we read:

"The Sahaba Maqil stated that 'Yazeed drank alcohol, committed zina with his mahram relatives, infact he performed every type of bad action"

Shah Abdul Aziz's comments on Yazeed

In Sirush Shahadhathayn, Shah Abdul Aziz kahte hain:

"Imam Husayn did not give bayya to Yazeed because he was a drunkard, a fasiq and Dhaalim".

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Ibn Taymeeya's condemnation of unjust Yazeed

Wahabiyo'n ka doosra sab say bara aalim/writer Ibn Taymeeya aoni book Minhajj main likhta hai.....

"Yazeed had the sword and hence he had the power to deal with anyone that opposed him. He had the power to reward his subjects with the contents of the treasury, and could also withhold their rights. He had the power to punish criminals; it is in this context that we can understand that he was the khalifah and king. Issues such as Yazeed's piety or lack of it, or his honesty or lack of it, is another matter. In all of his actions Yazeed was not just, there is no dispute amongst the people of Islam on this matter".

[silenteyes]

Any narrations by Yazeed are to be rejected

In Ahsan aur Meezan:

"Yazeed was a fasiq, faajir, we cannot rely on his narrations"

Yazeed ka bad'kirdaar or baatil character sab k samnay itna wazeh hai k us say mansoob ahadiees ko reject kar diya jata hai...

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It is not permissible to say Yazeed "( r )"

In Fatawa Abdul Hai, the author states after condemning Yazeed, "�one should not say Yazeed radhina or rahmathullah".

[silenteyes]

Barelvi Ulema have deemed Yazeed a fasiq

Ahmad Reza Barelvi in Irfan al Shariat stated:

"There is an agreement amongst the Ahl'ul Sunnah that he was a fasiq and a fajir, the dispute is over whether he was a kaafir".

Shariat Mukhammad Majid 'Ali Shakir stated in Badh Shariat:

"Some say 'Why should we discuss such a thing since he [Yazeed] was a King and he [Husayn] was also a King' - one who makes such comments {refusing to hold opinion on Yazeed and Husayn (as)] is accursed, a Kharijee, Nasibi and hell bound. The dispute is over whether he [Yazeed] was a kaafir. The madhab of Abu Hanifa stipulates that he was a fasiq and fajir, nor was he a kaafir nor a Muslim".